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And it is the nature of the communication that determines the intimacy. It communicates the status of the person in your life. Is that really just social programming or is it universal? Is casual sex impersonal sex or just sex with no other interpersonal obligations? I am not dogmatic on this subject. How come virtually NONE of them teach sex techniques, or if they do, they sound like they are 12 when they teach them?
But having a chick for every day of the week? Not only is that not believable, it is overcompensating. Catching feelings does indeed mean you are weak. But it also means you are a sociopath. Because now you are relying on someone else to make you happy in nearly all cases. Your happiness is in their hands and it is extremely manipulative. Men do the same thing. There is always someone better than the chick you are pursuing.
How many people do you know have that kind of philosophy? Never get any feelings for a woman. No man will be able to have sex in five years. You are, by far, the most negative guy on this blog. Historical negative and false and largely American and right-wing Societal Programming regarding sex, as I describe in detail in my book. I have to deal with this as well. I view intimacy as a wonderful bonus to sex, not a requirement. There are clear physiological and biological differences between having sex with another human and jerking off.
I believe BD and Alpha 2. I have never said anything like that and do not believe that. Again, not my opinion; fact. It depends on the woman. It can mean something if you mentally assign certain meaning to the act that your society tells you it means. It works the same way with condomed sex. Societal Programming is false. I know if feels real. Go to the desert tribes in Africa, were everyone walks around naked and no one cares, and find out. No, there are degrees. But those two choices still exist on the edges of those degrees as options.
Or you can remain the typical Christian, and spend the rest of your life shaking your head and wagging your finger at the world. Also, forget desert tribes in Africa just go to the nearest nudist beach or something. It really is just SP. Should this be avoided on casual hookups?
I mean, even James Fucking Bond kinda does that in some scenes. Maybe I misunderstood then. This NY Times article is a massive blue pill. Sex is a basic human need, like food. People would die of starvation. You would long for a good, meaningless, casual burger with fries then. The physical sensations leading up to the orgasm are different.
This is completely unrelated to any erotic meaning of the one over the other. In fact, I would say that when sex with a woman is purely casual, the erotic charge that accompanies it is often not always largely related to these different physical sensations. And although sex without an orgasm is frustrating, an orgasm without the lead-up to it is less than it can be too. But many others would, JOTB included. That would make him much more negative than I. I might be cynical, but I have an open mind all the same and am willing to accept criticism.
How is that negative? It is true that I argued that in the past. However, at the expense of backpedaling, I have changed it. These recent developments have said to me: Do you see me complaining, acting like a trad-con and wishing for things to go back to the middle ages?
Tag that on me all day. Catching feelings for a chick has never once worked for me. Do I think it can work for others? I do know that seeing it from both sides, catching feelings for someone places unwarranted pressure for everybody involved and that it is a big waste of energy. How is this negative? I know I have been negative in the past, but I am man enough to admit that I was freaking out and it that means I run the risk of facing criticism for backpedaling, so be it.
See the problem here? You just prefer to shy away from interpersonal relations above a certain intensity, your mistake is to project and say that this is something everyone should shy away from. WTF are you talking about?? He has a whole chapter on it with six parts to it. Tomassi is so far from a PUA its not funny and is widely considered one of the Godfathers and best minds in the Red Pill.
This is the essence of the abundance mindset — confidence is derived from options. You really expect anyone on here to take you seriously when you say stuff like this? He borrowed it from the feminists and pseudo-freudians: You may not feel negativity internally when you are writing , but the way you come across gives off a certain undeniably negative vibe. It should also be noted that they way you got all defensive with BD was not very outcome independent of you. No human being is percent equal to another human being.
All of us have different talents. All of us have slightly more money, or slightly less, than another. All of us are in slightly different places in life than everyone else. This is garbage, dude! Here are some examples of the former:. The above are examples of concrete power imbalances between you and your lover which might indeed call the sincerity of her consent into question. Or do you think a billionaire fucking a woman on welfare should be considered rape?
You are acting like a condescending misogynist, otherwise known as a feminist! Then you must change how you feel. Because you are infantilizing these women. The downside is of course I get taken advantage of a lot which at this point I accept as the cost of playing with younger women. Make them have sex with you based on lust alone, not prostitution, which dilutes the lust, and therefore, your sexual merit as a man.
I disagree that Jack is negative. You just need money. If you want to sleep with hookers, be my guest. But you might want to spew that filth on another site. They are too used to it. What about ASD do you not understand? What about cultural and religious guilt do you not understand? Or just a hallmark of being an INTJ. Or the sort of attorney who enjoys pissing of judges. Or you just like to argue. My motivation to participate here is to expand my head and learn something about improving my life.
I could give a shit if I WAS right, I care about getting it right going forward, or at least more right that what I was doing. To those ends, you are one of my favorite posters, I value your writings very much, and hope you change absolutely nothing going forward.
First, I want to save the world. Second, every time you say shit like this about me, it really makes me want to meet you in person. There are people who get lazy and stop caring about the world the happier they are in their personal lives the more sex they get, etc…. The happier I get in my personal life and the more sex I get, the more fragile and tenuous I see it as being. This gives me an uncontrollable urge to defend it by declaring war against all the worldly forces who would take my happiness away if they could.
My success sexual and otherwise leads me to an appreciation of its preciousness. This leads to unbearable thoughts about losing it all. That motivates me to become a fighter. The more happy and satisfied I become, the more scared I get that some tyrant will try to take it away.
So I must be ever vigilant. You, however, seem to be the opposite. If being passionate about my beliefs and wanting to save the world makes me an alpha 1. If believing that what others think will ultimately contribute to either freedom or tyranny in this country makes me an alpha 1.
Still not a tradcon though. I actually enjoyed pissing off the opposing feminist lawyer. That would be stupid. My mommy did love me! Holy shit, what a coincidence! Thanks for making me think though. This is reductio ad absurdum. Here are some examples of the former: Thanks for this clarification, I was always confused about these notions of having power over someone, especially in legal definitions of statutory rape.
It all makes much more sense to me now. Without the cellulite, she might get a 5. Cellulite can really disgust me. I was obtusely pointing out you are beholden to your choice of orthodoxy. That woman is pretty much my type or my personal 8 as BD would say, and not surprisingly she looks like my baby momma too. Fortunately for me American cities are chock full of this type of woman. I have the same view and tolerance for fatness as antekirtt. On No Means No after 3 strikes I take it a step forward.
No means no to me means No before, during, and after. She says no during any act after 2 times, we stop and do something else if I decide to continue. No, means No to me not so much for the legal ramifications of trying to force it on her, the social uncoolness of trying to force it on her, but because I want to be happy. And my happiness for me in sex involves a willingly partner.
It is perfectly legal, for example, for a boss to sleep with his employee or a landlord to sleep with his tenant.
Jack, I think here could be the core of my misunderstanding. In other words, what concerns me is real power imbalances on the individual scale. That is, a direct power imbalance between an individual, in relation to another individual. Am I the one who is dedicating thousands of words in responses? Do you see me freaking out like JOTB is doing?
Oh I had no idea. I always thought it was from Roosh and his ilk. Go reread my analogy with carrion. And that yes, this kind of fucked-up logic comes from bastardized feminist and freudian rhetoric, regardless of the specific source that inherited it. He has a chapter on Plate Theory that runs at about 10, words.
Says a lot about what you think you know. And you keep making outlandish statements about them and lots of other things. I watched his stuff after the last time you quoted it and he knows even less about PUA and Red Pill than you do. This may be what you want at first, but you have no way of knowing whether or not you will change your mind in the future.
It may not be casual in the future, but it is right now. We all begin at the fuck buddy level and then we eventually upgrade, or are ourselves upgraded, or not. Every woman I sleep with starts out as a fuck buddy. Then, if I choose, I upgrade her to friend with benefits. But none of this is guaranteed. Those people need to grow up. I would never have sex with a woman who has developed any type of strong feelings for me before we even had sex. They do want to have casual sex because they are very attracted to the concept, as well as to the person.
So they make a decision to do it. But their programming keeps getting in the way, constantly telling them that this is wrong. The woman then declares war against her own decision and desires. This is known as ASD. This requires seduction on the part of the man to overcome. For us men, there is no difference between being sexually attracted to a woman and having sex with her. But, for women, being sexually turned on by a man and actually having sex with him are two different things.
But, unfortunately, such high sex drive women are rare, unless you make a concerted effort like me to find them and surround yourself with them! Women are NOT attracted to betas. That means that if she rejects a beta, it has nothing to do with ASD. In order for a woman to feel ASD, she must be deeply sexually attracted to the man and very much want to fuck him, thus triggering her ASD, which motivates her to declare war against her own desires.
But women reject betas for only one reason: Remember, ASD is when a woman fights against her own sexual impulses, despite being super horny for the guy and wanting him in her bed. In fact many women have the complete opposite reaction to betas.
Mainly women who are married to or in a relationship with them. But they still do it out of a SP sense of duty. Hence the reason so many marriages are a complete disaster in terms of sex and happiness. True, it was shortly before the beginning of my transition toward being more 2.
I even needed kinda drastic measures to cut the ties when I left her. Guys, there are nuances. Yes, you do have Tradcon tendencies whether you realize it or not. Your views on prostitution are the Feminist Supremicist Puritanical Victorian kind because you seek to stigmatize men who have no problems with it or use it.
What would be regarded as less tradcon today is to thing that prostitution should be decriminalized and destigmitized like I do. You do not want to talk about this not so much because this is a GAME blog which you say the discussion of prostitution should not be discussed but rather because you logically know you can not defend your prostitution stigmatization well.
I give better arguments against engaging in prostitution than you do. I do however recognize that in anything one does that there are tradeoffs and both positives and negatives associated with it. I have said that prostitution can give men frame.
Give them a genuinely good reason not to do so. You have not and I doubt you can. Even I can provide a better reason to not engage in prostitution than you. I love beating you with your tradcon ways.
You are about to start a blog so it would behoove you to get good at this and either change your views to the right ones which is better to do like I have or to become a better debater at defending wrong ideas. I will give you a hint. Do not say what is in your best interest for men to avoid prostitution but say what is in their best interest to avoid prostitution.
It is best to become an Alpha 2. Not everyone can no matter how hard they try and not everyone will want to do so.
Although this blog is primarily about becoming an Alpha 2, you should consider what is second, third and so on. Second best in my opinion. Being Beta is definitely third because it is often an abusive relationship for men with little sex. Being Omega especially with no access to sex or not willing to get sex by any available means necessary even including not engaging in prostitution is the worst because who wants to be an involuntary celibate. You are also more of a Tradcon than me because you once stated that your girlfriend was going to move in with you and give birth to your children.
Although you may not have a monogamous marriage, it will look partially that way to outsiders. I do not want to live with a woman and do not want children. That makes me less Tradcon than you. At least if I engage in Tradcon ways it is for factual and logical reasons while you seem to engage in Tradcon ways for emotional reasons.
They are attracted to betas in a different way than alpha 1s and 2s. Remember, Betas follow with hopes and even expectations of becoming an alpha specifically alpha 1. Omegas are too weak to follow. It is needy, it is pathetic, and in this day and age with all the information and materials we have at our disposal about improving our love and sex lives and meeting future partners, it is unacceptable.
If you want to pursue it be my guest, but its your funeral. Anyone who pursues monogamy has been tricked into believing that other people are responsible for your happiness. And you accuse me of making lazy blanket statements? Alphas must deal with most ASD. But omegas deal with it too. This is why I keep arguing that the affirmative consent thing is passive eugenics. Its to scare omegas into not even attempting to make moves on chicks they like.
Beta males can have casual sex but it is less likely than Alpha males because Beta males rarely if ever have validational sex like Alpha males do. Nearly all Beta male sex is transactional. The link above is bad. Come on Joelsuf, this is an easy one. Over and above that, believe it or not, some straight people are effeminate. Any chance you can get acquainted with them? Tradcons hate hookers because hookers are the cheap prostitutes which prevent the expensive prostitutes housewives from inflating the price of sex.
I reject that premise! As a sex-positive man, I believe that sex should be framed as the woman receiving it, not the man. This tends towards equality. So you calling me a female supremacist puritan is rather amusing. Even the cheapest hooker follows the same philosophy as the expensive house wife, except to a much cheaper degree. So the battle between the house wife and the hooker is an internal quibble between degrees, but following the same despicable K Type premise!
So I want to bring the whole K Type system down. As such, I hate the house wife even more than I hate the hooker! Whether you accept my arguments or not is your business. By contrast, having sex in exchange for sex signifies the equality between the two organs. The matriarchal principle is the same! Every time you call me a tradcon, you lose credibility. The fact that you even believe in government in the bedroom marriage tells me that you have tradcon tendencies.
This solidifies your tradcon credentials. Tradcons love K Type sexuality. I love R Type sexuality only. She did move in with me. And then she moved out recently because living together was too stressful and put too much of a strain on our relationship. We both love our freedom. So, she recently bought a house on an adjacent block five minutes away, walking distance and our relationship has experienced a resurgence and has never been better. In order to say that a woman rejected the man because of ASD, you must first conclude decisively that she was sexually attracted to him.
In the s, white women would falsely accuse black slaves of rape because of ASD. Because these women fucked those slaves! This tells us that they were attracted to them. Were those slaves omegas?
But they were probably alpha 1s internally and she sensed that primal alphaness which motivated her to fuck them, only to have massive ASD kick in later! Here is the problem. Browsing through the comments the major issue is SP.
Every sex starts and should start as casual. So the more casual sex you have the better for you. So by your definition every sex you have that is not casual, is bound to end the relationship mostly on a bad note And not as a relationship that has real future. And you only have yourself to blame because you put yourself in boundaries that damages your future in terms of relationships mostly because of SP.
The sustained attraction for him or them over the years EVEN if you are not with him or them at some particular time, for whatever reason. The problem is that these men are rare and as such the chaos you women have with men. If you see a future with a man you barely know or spend time with but took some time to have sex with, RUN. What were you saying about the agency thing again? This is motherfucking awesome. I thought I was insane for being the only one that thought raising kids did not have to involve having both parents live together from the very start.
The reason traditional marriage is normalized in society is mostly because of the SP of men wanting to feel manly by providing for his family, and women want to be taken care of and respected in society. People will slowly start realizing that this is the way to go moving forward. A while ago it was relatively uncommon and shameful to be single mother. And now look at how normal it is. More than forty percent of kids are born to unwed mothers, and it will only keep rising.
Some would say that stuff like this marks the end of civilization, but in reality it is not as big a deal as people make it out to be. I find that it just gets tiresome to see the person you love every single day, day after day. Oh now I understand. But they were probably alpha 1s internally. That stopped being relevant a few millennia ago, when people started judging others on external social position.
So yes, when considering their external social position, they were omegas who were out of line. Sure they had alpha 1 traits no group of people have alpha 1 traits more than black people lol , but their social value was negative. This is why when women had sex with them, they had to accuse them of rape. It was because the conventions at the time did not think it was possible for white chicks to agree to have sex with nonwhite men.
This is much MUCH different than now but still very similar. If you have low perceived social value, then guess what your sex life is limited until you can increase that value. And if you have too MUCH social value then chicks will make up stories to make sure they can increase their value while decreasing yours as we have seen in the mostly false harassment stories we keep hearing about.
Sex has become a deadly game of chess for most men, where women have a constant advantage. Which is fine by me, since I know how to play and what strategies to use. This is what I mean when I say its gonna be difficult for men to procure sex in the coming decades.
How long do you wait for a comment to post if it gets stuck in the spam filter? I posted about four hours ago and still nothing. Does it do that when you cuss, because I think I may have cussed. Then you are superior to every human being on the planet. No person, man or woman, can possibly know how they will feel about another person in a year.
No one is taking away your agency, sweetheart. You can do whatever you want. By limiting yourself to only one view of the specific man and vowing never to change it, the only one limiting your agency is you. The woman knows, just as well as he does, that she wants casual sex. SP is just a fact of life for most people.
A red pill person can see through the SP and be able to tell the difference between a genuine lack of attraction vs. Societal programming — and therefore, the woman herself who is infected by it — is taking away her agency, not the man. The man is trying to restore her agency. If she is genuinely not attracted to him and therefore, has agency in rejecting him then no amount of seduction will work on her.
A child needs both a mother and a father. Do you know what happens to children especially boys if they are raised by single mothers? Obviously, everyone should be unwed. Weddings and marriages are for the tribal stone age.
Uhh, being a single parent is terrible. The child needs a father, just as much as it needs a mother. Red pill game theory teaches the exact opposite of what you just said. We are alphas, betas, or omegas, based on our personalities and behaviors, not what society says.
Sure they had alpha 1 traits no group of people have alpha 1 traits more than black people lol ,. Because they were really alphas. If they were omegas, not just in terms of their matrix-dictated social position, but in terms of their true personalities, these women would have never fucked them.
A man may be a billionaire, but still a hopeless beta when it comes to women, which is why he just hires hookers. Dude, you REALLY need to unplug from this social validation bullshit and stop placing so much importance on what others think of you! Is the woman a status whore?
Is she a sheep? Or does she own herself? Is she red pill? But one time he called in sick and let me use his mop. Well, I was picked on in school and I always looked down on the floor. Now, when I look at it, I feel a sense of accomplishment, or at least I will when my boss either hands me the keys or dies. Are you gonna eat the rest of those fries? Fast forward 25 minutes later: Why was she attracted to me?
This matters way, way less if you have game, seduction skills, and an alpha personality. They are personality based. They are omegas taken advantage of by gold diggers. And massively outcome dependent. You need to snap out of it and get that societal weight off your shoulders man!
Because they were alphas! How can this be? Have these men only had sex with a few women? I am often in a rush and do not write as well as I want or could especially concerning using paragraphs.
However, I was going to not use paragraphs to irritate you just for shits and giggles until I read your response to Duke. I like your response to Duke. You at least have the sense to know that children especially boys should be raised by their fathers. I do not regard your way of living to have and raise children as an optimal one, but if the optimal one is off the table and you still insist on having and raising children then it is the least bad.
Abandoning Children while usually good for men is bad for children and to a lesser extent women. I will have more later. I need to go to work so I will have more before Monday Morning and hopefully more by tomorrow, Have a good day. Your arguments for the equality of penis and vagina are seducing.
Here again, as for sustainability, your idealistic utopian views are detactched from the material down to hearth physical reality. Women can go months and years without sex, jist becaise they are more focused on something else during a phase of their life, such as a hobby, studies, a mission, children or whatnot. Whereas men unless they have extremely low sex drive will suffer psycho logical harm abstaining from sex during the same time.
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